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Posts: 491 (01/29/09 10:27:10) |
Going out and lifting heavy crap is why I do things, but I'm not on the level to compete in something like CSM. So westerns, being the stepping stone to
CSM, is a very competitive competition. Other shows like BC's shows, Al's MJ show, the two saskatoon shows, and Brent's normal april and july shows
are all competitve but a lot of fun too. It's just that with Western's, there's a lot more on the line, that's all.
Stu
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Posts: 817 (01/29/09 11:07:44) |
Stu Christensen wrote:
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Posts: 7 (01/29/09 12:35:37) |
You said it Tyler |
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Stu Christensen |
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Posts: 492 (01/29/09 12:40:57) |
Ryan, sorry for offending you - my apologies. We DID offer constructive criticsm (myself, nate, matt etc) all pointed out that the wheelbarrow would be better
replaced by a DL event. No one listened - and you either don't remember this happening, or didn't notice.
The guy who should win the show, usually does... no matte what events - that's common sense and we all agree. What we've been talking about is a better system to choose events that will most likely be seen at CSM and have Westerns try to mimic that. Like I've said before NUMEROUS times, if it was Brent's normal July comp, no body would even be talking about this... but since this competition is selecting the top three to go to CSM, should it not evaluate guys on the core strongman events, and ones that they will be doing at CSM, rather than an odd event that really hasn't been used in many years and probably won't ever be seen again??? I thought so. Again, sorry for offending you... but if you're "always watching" why did it take you until page 10 to chime in, and you still didn't offer any "constructive criticism" as you call it?? We're all having a discussion, for you to chime in with that nice one liner is more childish than anything else that's occured in this thread... at least IMO. Maybe I'm the only one that feels this way, and if that's the case so be it... like I said... my apologies and no hard feelings. But I hope you at least see where I and others are coming from.
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Posts: 818 (01/29/09 14:45:29) |
I see where you are coming from... but your private messages more than crossed the line.
I see your point about CSM but if you agree that the guy who should win will, then what difference does it make? I guess my constructive criticism is more geared towards how you should talk to / treat people and that is why I chimed in now. Up until that point the comments on here seemed for the better but you took it upon yourself to try to influence a promoter in other ways. As far as choosing the events... good luck finding a formula that everyone will agree with. I do not believe there is one and in a lot of cases promoters are left choosing the events from the equipment they have.
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Jamie Templeman |
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Posts: 124 (01/29/09 15:16:41) |
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all this debate does is shows that we are all passionate about these shows and following that mandate of the westerns which is to send the best 3 athletes to CSM and have them prepared to do well there.... Mr Espey - with all due respect .. outside of posts that say - "hey Mr so and so .. you are a $%^&&!!!" - there should be no "line to cross" we are all passionate individuals - at least we are getting out our issues and greviences for all to see and comment on in a public forum that we have all agreed to be a part of ... Kudos to Brent for taking the responsibility of putting on this show and giving the athletes a venue to get to CSM, I feel when you have Myself and Stu and Brent (guys who have admitted in this thread about their lack of desire or inability to go to CSM) arguing passionately about the process and trying to make it fair.. this is good for the sport.. and it just shows that we need to band together come up with a charter/rulebook/guideline etc for the west... I can only speak for myself but i have trained too hard, spent too much of my own time and $$ supporting this sport to, in 2009, have it have no structure or be fractured in the west... my only thing to offer it now is experience and passion to let it grow for the next level of athletes and if we don't establish a structure .. this will never stop.. I personally promote shows as a way to give back and help grow the sport.. anyone who takes on this task and then has any hint of favortism towards themselves or "their crew" subjects themselves to these types of comments... I agree that the best athlete will win the show and go to CSM.. let's give the appearance that everyone going to the westerns has an equal opportunity to go to CSM.. |
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Posts: 261 (02/03/09 16:52:08) |
WOW! I thought we just delt with this Crap in the East. Anyone who has ever put on a show knows that you can't please everyone. and it is funny how you
never hear from the top guys.
I know I really have no say here but If no one competed in events that the person putting them on Trained for than The CSM would be a short list. It sounds like the events you have chosen Brent are close to the 2009 CSM events and that is what matters. Brent I think you should train hard and compete. you have a chance to do a show at home. Anyway good luck to all and Matt Good luck. and I'll see you soon. |
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Posts: 180 (02/09/09 08:48:55) Registered Member |
Wow.
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Posts: 3734 (02/20/09 09:08:44) ezOP |
What have you guys done in the past to plan for bad weather? Did you have an indoor place available? Alternate event list???
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Jamie Templeman |
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Posts: 126 (02/22/09 12:36:30) |
Brent
question .. have you confirmed the JUly 4th date?? if you cna let me know asap that would be great as i need to book my Saanich show and obviously don't want to conflict with your date.. i think the rain is only an issue with stones.. everything else just needs a towel to wipe the handles etc.. if you are really concerned about the rain - get 3 10 x 20 tents and make a 10 by 60 covered area and make the fw and tire/yoke only 50 feet .. you can press under the tent and shorten the wheelbarrow ( or not to be a dick but in the event of a monsoon, change the wheelbarrow to a dl for reps??) and cover your stones?? just an idea later J |
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Posts: 3745 (03/01/09 21:07:38) ezOP |
Sorry Jamie..somehow i missed your post. Yes...July 3-4th is the date. Yes..3rd and 4th.
July 3rd 7:00 pm 1) Max 18" Flintstone deadlift. 3 Attempts. Straps allowed. Probably start around 550-600ish not sure yet, have to weight the stones. 2) Atlas stones to stands 270-60" 305-60" 335-54" 365-54" 420-48" (FYI we have to make these stands, if that fails, we will use the trust old wooden boxes of approx same height) July 4th 1:00 pm 1) Farmers 265lbs for 80' then 325lbs back, head to head, for time, unlimited drops 2) Log Press reps - 250 or 300 10" logs, head to head, reps in 1 minute (one rep on 300 beats any reps at 250), one clean (or more if you want) 3) Progressive Wheel Barrel 80' (so heavy no one makes 80'), but timed in case two people do 4) Semi Harness Pull - 80' with rop assist 5) Medley (kegs 220lbs-25', 275lbs-25', yoke-850-50', chain drag-600+-50') head to head |
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Posts: 48 (03/02/09 07:37:26) |
brenthamm wrote: Now thats one sexy event line up! I'm so F-ing in! |
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Posts: 3761 (03/25/09 12:55:20) ezOP |
Opinions on this...
I have a competitor from Ontario that would like to compete here as a guest (no chance for a spot at csm, no chance for prize money). How do others feel about that? I would still require him to pay the fees to enter. If you do not want to respond publically..you can send me a message (I will keep it private). |
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Jamie Templeman |
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Posts: 127 (03/26/09 22:03:46) |
Brent
i will voice a loud no.. way too many opportunities for this person to affect the outcome.. this show is a qualifier for CSM .. if you can't qualify for CSM why do it.. possible senario.. say 1 -2 points separates 3rd to 6th.. last event is something head to head... reverse order based on overall placings.. so 1 vs 2 3 vs 4 etc....the guest is in 4th... he would go against the 3rd place guy.. while 5th and 6th battle.. is it fair to 3rd who might get 4th to mail it in or not go full out.. is it fair to 5th who wouldn't get a chance to go mano a mano with 3rd place.. if we decide at some point to not count his score why bother.. J |
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brenthamm |
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Posts: 3767 (04/06/09 19:27:58) ezOP |
Why do it..i dunno..i just have guys from out of prov..and out of country that are asking to come to this.
The stuff about them messing up the points hardly makes sense to me. Just beat everyone if you want to be top 3!!!! On a different note... July 3rd 7:00 pm 1) Max 18" Flintstone deadlift. 3 Attempts. Straps allowed. Suits Allowed. Probably start around 550-600ish not sure yet, have to weight the stones. 2) Atlas stones to stands 270-60" 305-60" 335-54" 365-54" 420-48" (FYI we have to make these stands, if that fails, we will use the trust old wooden boxes of approx same height) July 4th 1:00 pm 1) Farmers 265lbs for 80' then 325lbs back, head to head, for time, unlimited drops 2) Log Press reps - 250 or 300 10" logs, head to head, reps in 1 minute (one rep on 300 beats any reps at 250), one clean (or more if you want) 3) Progressive Wheel Barrel 80' (so heavy no one makes 80'), but timed in case two people do 4) Semi Harness Pull - 80' with rop assist 5) Medley (kegs 220lbs-25', 275lbs-25', yoke-850-50', chain drag-600+-50') head to head |
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Stu Christensen |
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Posts: 504 (04/07/09 07:43:21) |
What is the purpose of allowing suits on an 18" deadlift?? The suit helps at the bottom, not the top.
And I agree with Jamie... this is Western's... keep the competitors to WESTERN Canada residents... EVERY point matters in a comp like this... I know, I lost 5th place to Manbeast in 2007 by 1/2 a point!
Stu
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Posts: 14 (04/07/09 08:55:52) |
Westerns should be for those from the west only. There are other competitions these other guys can go into. This isn't their only chance to compete this
summer.
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Posts: 577 (04/07/09 09:50:37) |
Hi all, as for a competitor from another province or country...I don't care one way of the other....top 3 from the west go to CDNS....prize money paid
to the top 5 overall.....once again I don't really care one way or the other.
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brenthamm |
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Posts: 3768 (04/07/09 09:57:11) ezOP |
Suits are not up for discusion at this point. I have consulted those whose opinions i care about on the matter.
Outside competitors is up for discussion. |
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Stu Christensen |
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Posts: 505 (04/07/09 21:00:29) |
Brent, you didn't answer my question... I'm not trying to say that the suit shouldn't be allowed or not, I'm wondering why it
was added to an 18" deadlift event? The logistics of a deadlift suit itself pertains to helping someone out of the hole or the bottom of the deadlift.
Just curious as to who or why it was thought necessary to add it? The logic here seems flawed - that's all.
Stu
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